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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/no-truth-no-reconciliation/#comment-7941</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 06:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mr. Jago for blogging about this.  Any more information that you have is greatly appreciated.  As a Canadian living outside Canada I was shocked to hear Kevin Annett's claims.  The residential school system is already a story of profound Canadian colonial shame, not just for the abuses, but that it was a program of acculturation and assimilation from the outset.  Annett is definitely not helping the healing and reconciliation process.

After reading Terry Glavin's article, I'm not sure how a reader would fail to see that the only way to criticize someone who produces no material evidence is ad hominem.  The claims that Annett makes are mysteries to those living in the effected communities.

In the facebook group about the alleged mass graves, it is implied that the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's purpose is to stifle the voices of the victims.  This can't possibly help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mr. Jago for blogging about this.  Any more information that you have is greatly appreciated.  As a Canadian living outside Canada I was shocked to hear Kevin Annett&#8217;s claims.  The residential school system is already a story of profound Canadian colonial shame, not just for the abuses, but that it was a program of acculturation and assimilation from the outset.  Annett is definitely not helping the healing and reconciliation process.</p>
<p>After reading Terry Glavin&#8217;s article, I&#8217;m not sure how a reader would fail to see that the only way to criticize someone who produces no material evidence is ad hominem.  The claims that Annett makes are mysteries to those living in the effected communities.</p>
<p>In the facebook group about the alleged mass graves, it is implied that the Truth and Reconciliation Commission&#8217;s purpose is to stifle the voices of the victims.  This can&#8217;t possibly help.</p>
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		<title>By: granny</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/no-truth-no-reconciliation/#comment-7910</link>
		<dc:creator>granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://residentialschooldeaths.blogspot.com/</description>
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		<title>By: granny</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/no-truth-no-reconciliation/#comment-7909</link>
		<dc:creator>granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The children who did not come home from the residential schools must be acknowledged. That is the truth, no matter who is saying it. I understand Phil Fontaine is saying that now too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The children who did not come home from the residential schools must be acknowledged. That is the truth, no matter who is saying it. I understand Phil Fontaine is saying that now too.</p>
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		<title>By: Themusicgod1</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/no-truth-no-reconciliation/#comment-7733</link>
		<dc:creator>Themusicgod1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 00:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really haven't watched television in almost a decade(and I never really did), so no I don't watch what you probably mean by "the news", and I certainly missed it if they covered anything actually important in 2005-2006, which as far as I'm concerned, is pretty much statistically meaningless compared to the sheer amount of crap that's usually on television.  I have never even owned a television--that money could be better spent elsewhere, like on food so I don't have to live on handouts like I am right now.

But what the hell did I do in 2005-2006?  In 2005 I was working my ass off at various jobs to make sure that I could have a roof over my head and enough ramen noodles/kd to get by on, and to make sure I was passing my university classes.  (I also admittedly met and fell in love with my girlfriend around that time too).

2006 wasn't much better;  I had two major CS projects that kept me awake for days at a time, and soaked up literally months of my life.   I spent the vast majority of 2006 either studying, coding or passing out from heat and lack of available food(ask my g/f if you think I'm kidding).  But at least I was able to &lt;a href="http://themusicgod1.livejournal.com/53276.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;read&lt;/a&gt; a little bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really haven&#8217;t watched television in almost a decade(and I never really did), so no I don&#8217;t watch what you probably mean by &#8220;the news&#8221;, and I certainly missed it if they covered anything actually important in 2005-2006, which as far as I&#8217;m concerned, is pretty much statistically meaningless compared to the sheer amount of crap that&#8217;s usually on television.  I have never even owned a television&#8211;that money could be better spent elsewhere, like on food so I don&#8217;t have to live on handouts like I am right now.</p>
<p>But what the hell did I do in 2005-2006?  In 2005 I was working my ass off at various jobs to make sure that I could have a roof over my head and enough ramen noodles/kd to get by on, and to make sure I was passing my university classes.  (I also admittedly met and fell in love with my girlfriend around that time too).</p>
<p>2006 wasn&#8217;t much better;  I had two major CS projects that kept me awake for days at a time, and soaked up literally months of my life.   I spent the vast majority of 2006 either studying, coding or passing out from heat and lack of available food(ask my g/f if you think I&#8217;m kidding).  But at least I was able to <a href="http://themusicgod1.livejournal.com/53276.html" rel="nofollow">read</a> a little bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/no-truth-no-reconciliation/#comment-7729</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You ever watch the news?  The settlement between natives and the government over the residential schools happened in 2005 and 2006.  The money to survivors was sent out last year.  It wasn't exactly a state secret.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ever watch the news?  The settlement between natives and the government over the residential schools happened in 2005 and 2006.  The money to survivors was sent out last year.  It wasn&#8217;t exactly a state secret.</p>
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		<title>By: Themusicgod1</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/no-truth-no-reconciliation/#comment-7728</link>
		<dc:creator>Themusicgod1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"The fact I care about right now is the fact that you self-centred bigots just now learned of this crime from a press release. Every single one of you should be ashamed of yourselves for not having known this long before"&lt;/i&gt;

How the hell are we supposed to know about these things?  Magic?  Most of this stuff happened long before I was born, and I was never told about it, never found out about it on television, It wasn't in any of the the thousands of books that I've read, really, where are we going to find out about these things &lt;i&gt;except&lt;/i&gt; from a blog posting relaying information from a press release?!  I won't pretend to know even now what's going on, but at least I admit this.  How does this make me a bigot?

I consider myself ahead of the curve as far as knowing things generally go;  I try to actually go out and research things just because...if I can't find out about these things sufficiently fast for you what possible hope does the average person have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The fact I care about right now is the fact that you self-centred bigots just now learned of this crime from a press release. Every single one of you should be ashamed of yourselves for not having known this long before&#8221;</i></p>
<p>How the hell are we supposed to know about these things?  Magic?  Most of this stuff happened long before I was born, and I was never told about it, never found out about it on television, It wasn&#8217;t in any of the the thousands of books that I&#8217;ve read, really, where are we going to find out about these things <i>except</i> from a blog posting relaying information from a press release?!  I won&#8217;t pretend to know even now what&#8217;s going on, but at least I admit this.  How does this make me a bigot?</p>
<p>I consider myself ahead of the curve as far as knowing things generally go;  I try to actually go out and research things just because&#8230;if I can&#8217;t find out about these things sufficiently fast for you what possible hope does the average person have?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/no-truth-no-reconciliation/#comment-7712</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an investigation - it's the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.  This side show, this fiasco, undermines it and the preposterous claims of those calling for the "International Human Rights Tribunal" will do nothing but give ammunition to a future generations of deniers.  

As for ad hominems - I think they are called for when you're dealing with shysters who make unsupportable claims whose veracity rests on the claimant's credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an investigation - it&#8217;s the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.  This side show, this fiasco, undermines it and the preposterous claims of those calling for the &#8220;International Human Rights Tribunal&#8221; will do nothing but give ammunition to a future generations of deniers.  </p>
<p>As for ad hominems - I think they are called for when you&#8217;re dealing with shysters who make unsupportable claims whose veracity rests on the claimant&#8217;s credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Abandoned Stuff by Saskboy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;Self-Centered Bigots&#8221; All Worked Up Over Apparently Nothing Now</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abandoned Stuff by Saskboy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;Self-Centered Bigots&#8221; All Worked Up Over Apparently Nothing Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was considering leaving this mostly unfounded jab fall by the wayside, but I see Dr. Dawg has responded eloquently to it already. I just would like [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was considering leaving this mostly unfounded jab fall by the wayside, but I see Dr. Dawg has responded eloquently to it already. I just would like [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Dawg</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/no-truth-no-reconciliation/#comment-7690</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 12:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Robert, it's possible to call for an investigation under suitable auspices without being in one camp or another. Glavin's extended ad hominem worries me, just as some of Annett's more spectacular claims arouse my deepest skepticism. 

Incidentally, you should try to avoid strawman arguments. I, for one, haven't bought into the notion of organized genocide, even though the concerns of the chief medical officer of Indian Affairs in the early 20th C.(Peter Bryce) are disturbing. (He thought that sick and healthy children in the residential schools, which had horrendous death tolls, were deliberately kept together.) Nor do I think that Glavin is a racist--in fact, I don't know who does.

More on all that &lt;a href="http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2008/05/of-graves-and-bigots.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. You should know, by the way, that "Eagle Strong Voice" (and I winced almost audibly when I first saw that) was not a name Annett gave to himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Robert, it&#8217;s possible to call for an investigation under suitable auspices without being in one camp or another. Glavin&#8217;s extended ad hominem worries me, just as some of Annett&#8217;s more spectacular claims arouse my deepest skepticism. </p>
<p>Incidentally, you should try to avoid strawman arguments. I, for one, haven&#8217;t bought into the notion of organized genocide, even though the concerns of the chief medical officer of Indian Affairs in the early 20th C.(Peter Bryce) are disturbing. (He thought that sick and healthy children in the residential schools, which had horrendous death tolls, were deliberately kept together.) Nor do I think that Glavin is a racist&#8211;in fact, I don&#8217;t know who does.</p>
<p>More on all that <a href="http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2008/05/of-graves-and-bigots.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. You should know, by the way, that &#8220;Eagle Strong Voice&#8221; (and I winced almost audibly when I first saw that) was not a name Annett gave to himself.</p>
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