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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/retarded/#comment-7943</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 08:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As 'The Bagel of Everything' so effectively points out with his use of the word 'retard', being unoffensive is not the intent of all.  I speak to enough educators to know that the word 'retard' has fallen to 'special.'  Every time I hear 'special' use in a certain way, I know that the person means, 'retard.'  Hardly better.  Deeming a word hateful won't eliminate its use, and even if we could, should we?

Instead maybe we could let the words someone chooses reflect on who they should: the person who uses them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As &#8216;The Bagel of Everything&#8217; so effectively points out with his use of the word &#8216;retard&#8217;, being unoffensive is not the intent of all.  I speak to enough educators to know that the word &#8216;retard&#8217; has fallen to &#8217;special.&#8217;  Every time I hear &#8217;special&#8217; use in a certain way, I know that the person means, &#8216;retard.&#8217;  Hardly better.  Deeming a word hateful won&#8217;t eliminate its use, and even if we could, should we?</p>
<p>Instead maybe we could let the words someone chooses reflect on who they should: the person who uses them.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/retarded/#comment-7682</link>
		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Respect? On teh Interwebs? Bagel, surely you jest. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respect? On teh Interwebs? Bagel, surely you jest. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: The Bagel of Everything</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/retarded/#comment-7681</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bagel of Everything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 22:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cody: Why must we use insults at all? Can we not respect eachother and get along?

I have a dream. Retards and Furries and Aspies walking arm in arm along the beach, while the surf gently laps at their toes. Somewhere in the distance, there is the faint but joyous sound of a baby cooing at it's mother's breast. 

We, the people of the internet, have power no previous generation could have imagined -- the power to bring this dream to fruition. Let's work together, people. Let's love eachother. For peace. And God. And the bible. And cooing babies everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cody: Why must we use insults at all? Can we not respect eachother and get along?</p>
<p>I have a dream. Retards and Furries and Aspies walking arm in arm along the beach, while the surf gently laps at their toes. Somewhere in the distance, there is the faint but joyous sound of a baby cooing at it&#8217;s mother&#8217;s breast. </p>
<p>We, the people of the internet, have power no previous generation could have imagined &#8212; the power to bring this dream to fruition. Let&#8217;s work together, people. Let&#8217;s love eachother. For peace. And God. And the bible. And cooing babies everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/retarded/#comment-7680</link>
		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are more creative and accurate words to use as insults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are more creative and accurate words to use as insults.</p>
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		<title>By: Ettina</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/retarded/#comment-7669</link>
		<dc:creator>Ettina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more note: around 85% of retarded people are mildly retarded. It is, after all, a bell curve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more note: around 85% of retarded people are mildly retarded. It is, after all, a bell curve.</p>
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		<title>By: Ettina</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/retarded/#comment-7668</link>
		<dc:creator>Ettina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 18:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I feel fully confident using the term ‘retard’ on my blog, as retarded people aren’t likely to be reading what I write. 
If an insult falls in the forest but no retards are there to hear it, does it offend?"

Firstly, some 'retarded' people can read. People with IQs in the 50-70 range (normal is 70-130) will learn to read unless some other disability or poor education interferes. Some more severely disabled people can also read, because scattered skills are common.
Secondly, loved ones of retarded people generally have no difficulty reading, just like anyone else.
And even if you knew for a fact that no retarded people or any of their loved ones read your blog, you're contributing to the idea that insults like that are okay, and that affects the whole community. People learn that retarded is a bad thing, partly from you, and then they meet someone they consider retarded and they are disgusted, scared, whatever, and the retarded person is affected by that (if you think 'they don't realize', remember that a) there's a wide range of 'retarded people', and b) even a 2 year old can tell if you don't like them). They have to live in the community you help to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I feel fully confident using the term ‘retard’ on my blog, as retarded people aren’t likely to be reading what I write.<br />
If an insult falls in the forest but no retards are there to hear it, does it offend?&#8221;</p>
<p>Firstly, some &#8216;retarded&#8217; people can read. People with IQs in the 50-70 range (normal is 70-130) will learn to read unless some other disability or poor education interferes. Some more severely disabled people can also read, because scattered skills are common.<br />
Secondly, loved ones of retarded people generally have no difficulty reading, just like anyone else.<br />
And even if you knew for a fact that no retarded people or any of their loved ones read your blog, you&#8217;re contributing to the idea that insults like that are okay, and that affects the whole community. People learn that retarded is a bad thing, partly from you, and then they meet someone they consider retarded and they are disgusted, scared, whatever, and the retarded person is affected by that (if you think &#8216;they don&#8217;t realize&#8217;, remember that a) there&#8217;s a wide range of &#8216;retarded people&#8217;, and b) even a 2 year old can tell if you don&#8217;t like them). They have to live in the community you help to make.</p>
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		<title>By: xanthippa</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/retarded/#comment-7566</link>
		<dc:creator>xanthippa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jadewarr:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/braille.png</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jadewarr:</p>
<p><a href="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/braille.png" rel="nofollow">http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/braille.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/retarded/#comment-7562</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its amazing how educated people continue to spew hatred at my workplace, and even more amazing is that they do it within the comments to your blog post. And yes, "Bagel" it does offend.  

Amazing, and ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its amazing how educated people continue to spew hatred at my workplace, and even more amazing is that they do it within the comments to your blog post. And yes, &#8220;Bagel&#8221; it does offend.  </p>
<p>Amazing, and ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bagel of Everything</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/retarded/#comment-7550</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bagel of Everything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel fully confident using the term 'retard' on my blog, as retarded people aren't likely to be reading what I write. 

If an insult falls in the forest but no retards are there to hear it, does it offend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel fully confident using the term &#8216;retard&#8217; on my blog, as retarded people aren&#8217;t likely to be reading what I write. </p>
<p>If an insult falls in the forest but no retards are there to hear it, does it offend?</p>
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		<title>By: xanthippa</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/retarded/#comment-7537</link>
		<dc:creator>xanthippa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Moggy:

my point was that no matter what word we DO use, if people say it in a hateful way and with a hateful intent, it WILL change the word into a hate-word.  Language evolves - words acquire meanings according to their current usage.

If we simply avoided words that 'became tainted', we would soon run out of words.  It would be much better to address the acceptability - the social tolerance - of people who think it fine to put people down for things beyond their control.


And, Robert,

you are right.  It is very curious that 'hate speech' is being used to protect the 'hate-speech-watchdog'...  But then again, has not the latest tribunal evidence demonstrated that most of this 'hate speech' indeed originates within the HRCs???  Birds of a feather...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Moggy:</p>
<p>my point was that no matter what word we DO use, if people say it in a hateful way and with a hateful intent, it WILL change the word into a hate-word.  Language evolves - words acquire meanings according to their current usage.</p>
<p>If we simply avoided words that &#8216;became tainted&#8217;, we would soon run out of words.  It would be much better to address the acceptability - the social tolerance - of people who think it fine to put people down for things beyond their control.</p>
<p>And, Robert,</p>
<p>you are right.  It is very curious that &#8216;hate speech&#8217; is being used to protect the &#8216;hate-speech-watchdog&#8217;&#8230;  But then again, has not the latest tribunal evidence demonstrated that most of this &#8216;hate speech&#8217; indeed originates within the HRCs???  Birds of a feather&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jadewarr</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/retarded/#comment-7535</link>
		<dc:creator>jadewarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just became aware of "Disablism" --it has the earmarks of the latest in identify politics. Certainly, victimhood at its best.

No concessions to the possibility that non-disabled folks simply don't know how to deal with disabled folks because they so rarely encounter them. Same mentality in some women leads them to condemn men who would dare to open a door for them.

Next step in the victimhood protocol is to "celebrate" being disabled -- elevating it to something to be proud of, a la Gay Pride or Deaf Pride -- and trying to oblige others to participate in the celebration.

I can't defend people who rudely stare for a prolonged period at a disabled person -- OR AN ABLE-BODIED PERSON. But, ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just became aware of &#8220;Disablism&#8221; &#8211;it has the earmarks of the latest in identify politics. Certainly, victimhood at its best.</p>
<p>No concessions to the possibility that non-disabled folks simply don&#8217;t know how to deal with disabled folks because they so rarely encounter them. Same mentality in some women leads them to condemn men who would dare to open a door for them.</p>
<p>Next step in the victimhood protocol is to &#8220;celebrate&#8221; being disabled &#8212; elevating it to something to be proud of, a la Gay Pride or Deaf Pride &#8212; and trying to oblige others to participate in the celebration.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t defend people who rudely stare for a prolonged period at a disabled person &#8212; OR AN ABLE-BODIED PERSON. But, &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Moggy</title>
		<link>http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/retarded/#comment-7473</link>
		<dc:creator>Moggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xanthippa -- I think the point is, though, that you don't have to use the word "retarded" in describing your difficulties. There are a lot of suitable terms that *don't* refer to a specific group of other people that we can use, or ones that are far less direct. There's also the option of simply not using a disparaging term at all, and saying bluntly that you have difficulties with it, or similar phrasing.  (Sounds more professional/mature anyway. :)

Of course, the whole "spectrum people have no social skills &#38; learn them slowly" thing is debatable at best. :-) Both groups have their own way of communicating, but since we're less common, we're assumed to be deficient, rather than that we work differently and would do fine with our own kind if both don't emulate NT.  It's a well-tested theory at this point, since a lot of Autistics like me have family &#38; close friends on the spectrum that they interact with naturally (no faking NT).

So perhaps the best option is simply to say your communicative skills are very different, rather than to further a stereotype.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xanthippa &#8212; I think the point is, though, that you don&#8217;t have to use the word &#8220;retarded&#8221; in describing your difficulties. There are a lot of suitable terms that *don&#8217;t* refer to a specific group of other people that we can use, or ones that are far less direct. There&#8217;s also the option of simply not using a disparaging term at all, and saying bluntly that you have difficulties with it, or similar phrasing.  (Sounds more professional/mature anyway. :)</p>
<p>Of course, the whole &#8220;spectrum people have no social skills &amp; learn them slowly&#8221; thing is debatable at best. :-) Both groups have their own way of communicating, but since we&#8217;re less common, we&#8217;re assumed to be deficient, rather than that we work differently and would do fine with our own kind if both don&#8217;t emulate NT.  It&#8217;s a well-tested theory at this point, since a lot of Autistics like me have family &amp; close friends on the spectrum that they interact with naturally (no faking NT).</p>
<p>So perhaps the best option is simply to say your communicative skills are very different, rather than to further a stereotype.  ;-)</p>
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